"Ron Calls on his years of experience....and freezes at the controls" (internerdstuff)
11/09/2016 at 04:28 • Filed to: None
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"Ron Calls on his years of experience....and freezes at the controls" (internerdstuff)
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Really america?? Color me surprised as hell.I honestly didnt think trump had a chance.
It makes you think huh? That people were so sick of the political left’s BS that they’d go with trump?
Cherry_man1
> Ron Calls on his years of experience....and freezes at the controls
11/09/2016 at 04:39 |
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I mean there is one thing that may of pushed people far right is the face of the huge spike in obama care prices, now i don’t know if was bad for everyone but I’ve seen cases of premiums rising 25% on their coverage. It also may be due to the fact I think more people then ever went out and voted.
Now tinfoil hat mode: What if this is what Hillary and the Dems wanted. A Joke for the next 4 years to make america look at the republican party as jokes and how badly they would run things and then maybe sweep them away next election.
GhostZ
> Ron Calls on his years of experience....and freezes at the controls
11/09/2016 at 04:44 |
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What happened was that Hilary based her campaign on polling data, which is usually a sound strategy. Except that in states like Wisconsin and Michigan, polls were 7% off. Undecided voters heavily favored Trump, and Trump voters who previously never voted or were never polled came out of the woodwork in those states, where Hilary had not campaigned heavily because her party saw she had a solid 3-4% lead.
Berang
> Ron Calls on his years of experience....and freezes at the controls
11/09/2016 at 04:45 |
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I’m not surprised. Hillary wasn’t a strong candidate, and shouldn’t have been nominated. Period. I know stating that will make people mad, but it’s pretty much been proved now. She already lost to Obama, so this should have been obvious from the start, but nooooooo.
Trump is objectively a worse person for running the country, but if there is one thing he can do it is make other people think he knows what he’s talking about. I can understand why he got the nomination, even though I am pretty sure the GOP will regret this immensely in the long run.
Bourbon&JellyBeans
> Ron Calls on his years of experience....and freezes at the controls
11/09/2016 at 04:57 |
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Trust me, I am more shocked than you are.
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GhostZ
> Berang
11/09/2016 at 05:02 |
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His win makes sense, polls didn’t account for large numbers of undecided voters who were not open Trump supporters in states with heavy manufacturing jobs, plus polls assumed latino and african american voters would vote similar to Obama’s win in 2012. Take that and add in a bunch of older unpolled and uneducated voters in Florida.
All of that easily added up to the 3-4% polling error that favors Trump. Hilary didn’t focus her efforts on those states because she thought they were locked in at 2-3% in her favor (a healthy margin).
The problem will now be for the GOP to convince their voters they can work magic by delivering on some of the most unrealistic campaign promises and least-factual supporting claims behind them. They can probably get a repeal of Obamacare (and maybe of Roe v. Wade also) and they can probably shake up trade relationships enough to seem like they’re making progress, but there’s not going to be any economic growth or repeal of NAFTA, and that’s what the people who just elected him really want. There isn’t going to be an easing of relationships with Russia either, and I would be surprised if a single brick gets laid for that wall, given how little any senators and businesses profit for any of that.
The backlash for failing on these promises is going to be heavy.
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GhostZ
> Cherry_man1
11/09/2016 at 05:04 |
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In many ways a Trump Presidency is a suicide vote for the republican party. He can’t back his claims up with facts and most of the republican donors were firmly anti-trump. While they got a huge electorate majority out of it, they have lost a large portion of their donor base. Unless every candidate can self fund from here on, or unless the GOP tries to form an anti-trump majority within their own party, they have no donor infrastructure. I think we’re going to see a lot of republicans voting against eachother in the senate.
facw
> Cherry_man1
11/09/2016 at 06:09 |
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Of course those Obamacare spikes are a.) not that different from what’s happening in private healthcare (we need to expand coverage and control costs, but Obamacare only really tackled the first part), and b.) evidence that the penalty for not having insurance needs to be higher, but since that’s the part the Republicans hate the most, fat chance of that happening (interestingly economists were worried about this being issue with Romneycare as well, but wasn’t. People felt a civic responsibility to get insurance even though for many it would likely be cheaper to pay the penalty. Apparently that same civic duty isn’t fostered when Congress is screaming about Obamacare being the worst Socialism ever).
I don’t think the Dems want this though, as I think the Republicans are likely to use their full control of government to do a lot of terrible things, including making it much harder for Democrats to get elected, regardless of how shitty the Republican challenger is.
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facw
> GhostZ
11/09/2016 at 06:10 |
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But they don’t need to get out their own voters if they can use the powers of government to suppress the opposition vote. 10 years ago I would have said that was beneath them, but it has been such a consistent strategy at the state level, I don’t think it is implausible now.